Thursday, May 18, 2023

Bergoglio says the 21 Copts murdered are martyrs. A Father of the Church and an Ecumenical Council say they are not martyrs.




Catholic Dictionary



MARTYR

A person who chooses to suffer, even to die, rather than renounce his or her faith or Christian principles. After the example of Christ one does not resist one's persecutors when they use violence out of hatred or malice against Christ, or his Church, or some revealed truth of the Catholic religion. (Etym. Greek martyros, witness, martyr.)


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Not a few of us Catholics find ourselves flummoxed by the constant changes in definitions and discipline. Writing for my own self, I don't understand how a person who is not a catholic can be considered one who suffered for "his" faith, particularly considering that "his" faith is not the Christian Faith once delivered.

The Coptics have their own saints, right? 


From the get go, us Catholics have been warned not to accept novelties, from The Apostles (See "On Divine Tradition" by John Baptist Cardinal Franzelin, S.J., to the Bible to St Vincent of Lerins (Commonitory) to Popes and their teachings (Denzingers) to the praxis and actualised ecclesiological tradition of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Those listed in The Roman Martyrology are Catholic Saints, Beati etc- Even the 131 or so who received the modern sacramental of defenestration by Paul VI.

After the latest novelty of Bergoglio, the Orthodox Copts killed by Muslims ( a religion of peace) are now considered to be on the same level as members of the One True Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church?

I guess we are just supposed to accept this latest novelty with pacific alacrity?

 



Ecumenism is the universal solvent of Tradition, as can be seen here.

https://angelusnews.com/voices/popes-gesture-coptic-martyrs/


Are Catholics ready for protestants, like Martin Luther King, to be added to The Roman Martyrology?

It's a question of when not if.


I'm being told by Catholics that The Copts are jake and have no heresies. 

All I know is what I read about their beliefs that they tell the world


http://www.suscopts.org/resources/literature/orthodox-faith/difference-between-catholicism-and-orthodoxy/


They are schismatic heretics.

Those in The Roman Martyrology are they whose cult is officially recognised and they are proposed as models worthy of imitation and that now includes non-Catholics who are worthy of imitation?

Father Jacques Hamel was killed by members of the religion of peace as he was celebrating mass. They made him kneel at the foot of the altar and slit his throat while yelling Allahu Akbar.

Did P.F. immediately declare him a member of the Roman Martyrology?

No.

Look, for us Catholics, anytime we are presented with a novelty we must reflexively reject it because that is who we are supposed to be existentially (see above).

Sure enough, when I saw this novelty I rejected it and began to search for the Doctrine that would specifically indicate why the general rule- no novelties - holds in this instance.


Saint Cyprian of Carthage, Father of the Church.

14. Even if such men were slain in confession of the Name, that stain is not even washed away by blood: the inexpiable and grave fault of discord is not even purged by suffering. He cannot be a martyr who is not in the Church; he cannot attain unto the kingdom who forsakes that which shall reign there. Christ gave us peace; He bade us be in agreement, and of one mind. He charged the bonds of love and charity to be kept uncorrupted and inviolate; he cannot show himself a martyr who has not maintained brotherly love. Paul the apostle teaches this, and testifies, saying, “And though I have faith, so that I can remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I give all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing. Charity is magnanimous; charity is kind; charity envies not; charity acts not vainly, is not puffed up, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; loves all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Charity never fails.” “Charity,” says he, “never fails.” For she will ever be in the kingdom, she will endure for ever in the unity of a brotherhood linked to herself. Discord cannot attain to the kingdom of heaven; to the rewards of Christ, who said, “This is my commandment that you love one another even as I have loved you: ” John 15:12 he cannot attain who has violated the love of Christ by faithless dissension. He who has not charity has not God. The word of the blessed Apostle John is: God,” says he, “is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God dwells in him.” 1 John 4:16 They cannot dwell with God who would not be of one mind in God's Church. Although they burn, given up to flames and fires, or lay down their lives, thrown to the wild beasts, that will not be the crown of faith, but the punishment of perfidy; nor will it be the glorious ending of religious valour, but the destruction of despair. Such a one may be slain; crowned he cannot be. He professes himself to be a Christian in such a way as the devil often feigns himself to be Christ, as the Lord Himself forewarns us, and says, “Many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.” Mark 13:6 As he is not Christ, although he deceives in respect of the name; so neither can he appear as a Christian who does not abide in the truth of His Gospel and of faith.


https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050701.htm




Denzinger 714:


714 It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. 


For ecumenical reasons (Ecumenism is the Universal solvent of Tradition tm) Who was the First Pope who thought it wise to include heretical schismatics in the Roman Martyrology?


Sadly, it is no surprise:


https://angelusnews.com/voices/popes-gesture-coptic-martyrs/


Do the AmBishops desire to add, say, Martin Luther King to the Roman Martyrology?


O, you betcha:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2000/01/17/vatican-honor-for-king-is-applauded/2425985f-6e2c-424d-89ce-31d51cfcfeae/





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